11/25/97 Maurice Randall Genie Farewell RTC 1997 by Genie ========================================================================== This file is brought to you by The Commodore 64/128 RoundTable on Genie This file may be published or excerpted in User Group newsletters providing credit is given in this manner: "Copyright 1997 by Genie From the Commodore 64/128 RoundTable File#:18345" This file maybe be distributed, if distributed whole and unaltered, on non-profit BBS' or non-profit networks. For more information on Genie call by modem: 1-800-638-8369 (8-N-1 300/1200/2400) Enter: HHH Then reply: xtx99018,commrt Then enter: Commodore And enjoy! ========================================================================== That'll be a breeze! :) The main thing in the patch is to fix the auto answer mode and the phonebook when in 64 mode. NOTE: I just opened my buffer for "the record" (An intro, Tim?) Does Geofax work ok with Gateway128? Everyone that has geoFAX has a modem! So downloading a patch is an easy way to distribute it. Are you going to make it available via FTP? Hey, I don't have amodem yet...and I'm buying the program. geoFAX works with gateWay after you run the gateWay patch that is supplied with geoFAX. That patch fixes a bug in gateWay. OIC I'll probably put the patch on my web site also, Doctor. Do we have to register on your BBS, or log on as a visitor? The problem with gateWay is that it locks up when it sees a geoFAX printer driver in the directory. I'm ready to throw out Gateway as soon as I can get your new Geos OS :) I'm working on the new OS tonight, in fact. :) And it now has an official name. But sorry, it's a secret. :) u would have to kill us if u told us? That will be relief to some of our members, Maurice. They're really looking forward to thenew OS. [putting on bullet proof vest] Your disk drives will self destruct in 30 seconds. ** is here. Sometimes Gateway screws up on large native partitions :( Not mine ... I'm on a 386 laptop I use GEOS 128......... Hi Dan New Deal Office '98 for Commodore? Hi Dan :) Hi all. Boy full room! is a 128 version still in the future? Room 6, GEOS DEN Job State Room Sta Genie Mail Name 1 FL 6 N ANITRA Anitra 2 OH 6 N D.WITMER2 Snogpitch 3 MI 6 L GEOS-TIM GEOS-TIM 4 PA 6 N CBM-LOU C128.LOU 5 CA 6 N W.WEBSTER4 Bill 6 IN 6 N S.SHEI Steve 7 PA 6 N QT QT 8 MI 6 N M.RANDALL2 Maurice 9 CA 6 N R.BERNARDO Robert Bernardo 10 IL 6 N R.MAES ric 11 CA 6 N D.TUOMI Doctor 12 IL 6 N R.HARRIS1 Randy Harris 14 PA 6 N J.BARBER9 Dan gateWay doesn't work with partitions larger than 8 megs. First the 64 version, and then the 128 version will come next. I've been using gateWay with 16 Mb partition with no probs. Why is that Maurice? I have trouble with partitions larger than about 3300 blocks. cool, I am very glad to hear that :) Randy, it's mainly the old gateWay disk drivers. Well, that's what they're calling GEOS on the PC these days. ** <.[CHowie> is here. <.[CHowie> howdy Hi Hi. ** was <.[CHowie>. ** was . Hi Howie hi bob Please don't call it that goofy name, though, Maurice. HI Howie I've been working on the copiers (file and disk) mostly for the last week. Yo Tim!! Doctor, the name should be welcomed quite nicely I think. We will soon see. Hi Howie. Say your'e not leaving Genie Maurice. Maby it's just a bad dream. hi Anitra, Snog, Lou, Bill, Steve, QT,Maurice,ric, Doc,Randy,and Dan Hi Howie Hi Howie. :) Howdy, Howie HI Howie! gee... :) I added a little extra to the filecopier that if it finds a file of the same name on the destination, you have the option of copying and renaming. That sounds cool! I wish the Macintosh did that. Steve, it's true. Yeah, the more "advanced" computer are still dumb. :P Mine's a not so advanced Macintosh. It's "only" a 68040 Mac. Not a "real" computer, like the PowerPC's. That's one thing I like about my FD drive, it renames the file on the fly, if I name a file that already exists. I'm also fixing one last bug in my 1571 driver. The bug only occurs with 128D drives. Any chance of getting a driver for the MSD drives? The drives are a bane to many a driver programmer. Yeah, Maurice can do anything. ;) I'd love to have my MSD run Geos. I've thought about the MSD and also the Lt. Kernal. Both are possible future canditates. But not in this release. Sounds great. :) Wow! The LTK, huh? aha! multiple releases, Maurice? I know a few people in my club that have MSD drives that would love to use it. :) Actually, I can add additional disk drivers at any time. It doesn't have to be a complete upgrade. I remember several years ago, someone mention they got a partition to work on the Lt Kernal What about parallel drivers for use with CMD HD? I've already figured out how to do the Lt. K. It's definitely possible. The parallel drivers are already supported. YES! Cool. Now I know my LTK40 isn't worthless somebody explain parallel drivers for the CMD HD please They are noticeably faster too. They're for the RamLink and HD combination. and it makes GEOS faster? You can hook up a parallel cable between the RamLink and HD for faster transfer. I have that combo, HD and RL and parallel cable It's the port that should of come with the Commodore. So do I. The same driver can do either serial or parallel. The driver detects which to use in the version I have here, but not your's, Randy. I thought so, that's why I asked. I've got a lot of little minor details to work on still. I need to go - got another RT to attend. Good to see you, Maurice. Niters, all! ** has left. 'Nite Ann Wow! fast exit....... Nite Anitra, sort of. really fast Maurice, now that Project G for the C64 andnd 128 are delayed, is there any hope for a graphical web browser for the Wave. You know maurice, you can make me drool better than everyone else. :) If I do the web browser, Project G must come first. I won't write one for GEOS 2.0. It's gotta be this new system. oops everyone=anyone that makes a lot of sense That's marketing. LOL! I'm catching on, yes? :) Actually it is Microsoft. I think he as been researching them too much. :) You should have worked for Commodore, Maurice. You know more about Marketing than they did. Oh yes Most definetly. Call it Mauricesoft ;-D lol! How success ful must Project G be for you to consider more work on the web browser? I think I'll have it so the web browser sends email to me with the person's name and ID number of the OS and the browser. Try to pirate that one.!! I'm sure something could be arrange, Maurice. Maybe that's not legal or ethical, but it would be neat to do. You mean it would alert you if the non-redesterd person was using it? Yes, if it's a pirate copy, I could get the persons email address. You can query a browser as to what it is, the OS, and the computer it runs on. It's legal and built into most of them. Turn yourself in. Sounds like an idea. Only pirates wouldn't like it. There are some privacy pages that will display just what sort of information can be gleaned from your browser. I know I would not mind. :) Robert, the success of Project G is going to determine a lot of things. Personally, I think it will go over well.... And if my interest remains, I'll keep on working on stuff. That's excellent news, Maurice!!! Well, you could have it set up to go to your web page as a home-default page... Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I think it's totally legit if you disclose the s/n search I would think that Project G would be a great success Double and triple THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!! Robert, I told Dick Estel that I would send him a beta copy of Project G to show to your user group, soon. That is great news Wow, that's news to me, Maurice. Gee, all user's groups might like to see that! What does it take to become an eligible users group? Maurice, my local group would enjoy a demo, too maybe sending out regular newsletters, Steve? Yeah that sounds legit. I guess I'll just have to wait. I'll figure out a way to create a crippled version that can be shown as a demo. Maybe without all the disk drivers and some other stuff left out. G'night everyone, Happy Holidays!!!!! ng That would be great ! Night KQT Something like what was shown in Arizona in the spring? Nite QT. See you around. Nite QT. The same to you! Good night, QT. Bye Bye QT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Does V3.0 default to a mouse? (That always drove me nuts) Have a good one Night. niters QT! Yes, Doug Cotton took an earlier version to the Arizona group earlier this year. Yes, the mouse is the default. Kewl But your first installation in the final version will ask you which input driver to use. I hope that there is the ability to change to a joystick by keyboard if nessary. For say, new Geos users. Otherwise, it still uses the first one found if you choose to do differently later on. And also, Toolbox (formerly Configure) installs the drivers at bootup now. So if the mouse quits can you change drivers with the keyboard ? Again, g'night everyone & Hugs! Night QT nite Qt Thanks for coming Good night Sherry! Is the icon view method now implemented, Maurice? ** is here. Hi Don And by the way, the Desktop has now been renamed back to the Dashboard. ** has left. I'm working on the icon mode still, Randy. hi Don Hi everyone I've got to finish a few more routines before turning it on. Hi Don Hi, Don. Hi Don. Don mon! :) 23:05EST 11/25/97 Good bye everyone. Best of luck to your Maurice. Nite Doc. nite Doc Bye. See you later, Doctor. That should be "you" actually. bye Night Doc! Unless all of you are going to reposess Maurice. night doc Well, folks....tonight is my anniversary, and I wasn't supposed to be on tonight (I promised my wife), but Maurice's visit got me here for this long. Lou is I just stopped by to say goodbye to Maurice. going to stay and moderate, but I need to go so I can live.:D literally Now that is dedication. bye Tim :) ** has left. LOL! You have a gracious wife! The disk copy functions can copy between partitions now and also copy different size native partitions as long as the source has less data than the destination can hold. Have fun tonight, Tim! Yea, she is Live long & prosper Tim Thanks.... Nite Tim Well, Maurice...good to see you...talk to you at the next club meeting Sounds great! Night everyone.... May the Force be with you! ;) See you Tim, thanks for having me here. Yea, I'll need the force lol! Or a Force Sheild! ;) Well, Maurice, stay as long as you like...I'm sure there are questions It's kinda nice to see this much activity in here. I'll be here as long as the session continues Defently! So will I. yes, it is...maybe in a few months or many months, we will have you in for You can say THAT again, Maurice a conference to update progress Anyway, night everyone.... I can do that if you can get me a pass. Nite, Tim. I'm sure I can nite Tim Night Night ::::::::POOF[:::::::::::::::::::POOF[::::::::::::::::::POOF:::::::::::::: ** has left. Vanished in a cloud of smoke::::::: It was magic. ::COUGH:: or whatever Now I can see the monitor again. Or his wife made him dissapear! :) OK, I'm in charge now! Tuck in those shirts! Yes, sir. Sir, yes sir. :P :D I like my shirt out. What shirt? t-shirts don't tuck I think it was nice of him to show up, considering the occaison Hmm, it is a bit a taterd isn't it? Oh yeah Maurice, by the year 2000, how do you envision the state of computing with Geos? Actually t-shirts do tuck, unless you have a beer belly. I guess Tim has a life...unlike myself :) GEOS is evolving. Maybe this new OS is only the start. We will see. There's a lot that can be done that we haven't done yet. Maurice, will Project G run at a reasonable speed without a SuperCPU? Sounds like great news in the future! It's acceptable without a SuperCPU. A geoRAM is a little bit sluggish, but not bad. Are you saying that Project G is only one step in its constant evolution? ** is here. Maurice, while recently using the Calendar desk accessory, I noticed that it uses a 4 digit year, and works fine for 2000 and beyond. Hi bren With the SuperCPU, Project G could evolve into a real powerful system. Hi Brenda Hi Brenda Then the calendar is one DA that we don't have to worry about. Hi all! Hi Brenda. Hi Brenda LOL! That's my wife's name. She's spying on you. De Ja Voo? I have a SCSI-capable flatbed scanner, Maurice, and needless to say... ... it would be interesting Your scanner could be used with the 64, it just needs an application to be written for it. Yes, I know. From the hardware standpoint, all is available NOW. Our anniversary is next month, so I'm ok tonight. hiya Brenda We need more programmers, Lou. I could hook it up now and send it commands Oh boy! Christmas and an Anniversary? You must have a big December credit car d bill. My programming skills are very crude but if programmers keep having anniversaries there will be trouble bye Imagine using that scanner to scan GeoPaint art. Nite Ric. Good night Ric Bye Ric How would you go about programming something like a scanner? Nite ric Later, Ric! good ? Bfrenda Maurice, that would be cool. Brenda, first I'd have to find out how the scanner sends the info to the computer and in what format. ** has left. I'd say, if we can get info from a fax machine, we can do it with a scanner too. Yeah... how do you find that out? did i misspell your name Brenda? I gotta run...peace be with you Maurice, we will miss you here on Genie. I think so, Homie Nite steve LOL I would like to know that. I even considered calling Mustek and asking them. Nite Steve. I'll be around somewhere. Bye Steve night all :) Nite Steve good seeing you Maurice leaves, and then says we need more programmers? brb guys ** has left. I'll be you can't get any technical help over the phone with programming on a scanner. Ok, he didn't leave... I keep forgetting Oh yeah, I agree When I first started with geoFAX, I called Boca and some others. They didn't know beans about how their modems worked. That would be like caling a medical school and asking for pointers on open heart surgery Well, someone somewhere has to write the applications for the IBMs. in India these days i hear Yes, 5 cent an hour Indians I mean, how do the IBMers get the info to do the programs? from the hardware manufactureres I'll bet it would be easier to write a scanner interface than a fax program. Since I don't have geoFAX yet, what current modems do you recommend, Maurice? Actually, I'm sure the info can be had. Well, how come when we call they don't know what is going on? i msuppose if you askied for a 'Windows Development Kit" and then translated the stuff you would be okey Robert, any ZOOM with Class 2 is good. The USRobotics with Class 2.0, and the Bocas with Class 2... It's called the TWAIN interface in the MessyDOS world. ...and any other with Class 2 and at least 16K of ram. Thanks. Yeah if you say anything else, they don't know what you mean. Even if you there was just a Windows show in LV program for IBM and said, "What are the specs on the modem" the only thing i bet they gave away lots of developer's kits there I think most of the stuff you see written for IBMS is the programmers are using code that is in a library that is common to most programs. they understand is "Windows Development Kit" or whatever their's is called Can't we just snag the IBM libraries? Or is that too complex? If you use the Delphi programming language, it comes with libraries that will decode graphics and other stuff for you. bac back The programmers don't really program anymore. A good way to explain it Well, time for me to hit the sack. We'll miss you Maurice! Goodnight everyone. What is the Delphi language? nite Don good seeing you If that was available for Commodore, I would be able to program! Good night Don! I actually messed around with Delphi a little. I (shoot me) wrote my first Windows program. Nite Don Nite Don. Night. Really, what was it? No time to program in Commodore, but you program in Windows?!?! ;) Delphi is based on the Pascal language. i play with and :::::BANG:::::: It only took me a couple days to write the program. now now Brenda... What was it? I would think that the basic needs would be a listing of the commands that the scanner will respond to. what did it do? Get this, it's a 'small' program and is about 250K!! WOW! Sesh! No wonder hard drives are cheep and BIG! It lets you take a geoWrite document in .cvt format and either display it on the screen or convert it to an ascii text file. Yeah, 250k is diddly for WinDoze Is that because of IBM waste of space, or is it typical C= programmer tight code both imho Wrong is Write will do that and it is only 20K! I did the same program on the Amiga and it's less than 10K. On a 64 in GEOS it would be about 6K. but Win95 has lots of oeverhead Which reminds me. Will we ever see the ability to read/write PC disks in GEOS? but Win95 has lots of overhead and things running in background Not in this first release Randy. But eventually. Yeah windopes95 Why was the IBM version 250k? and then there is win98... *x windoupledops98 I think it was so big because of all the wasted code that the compiler has to put into it. :) that was my guess Same here. You would think that it could just access the resources that the operating system is providing. i'll ditto that My actual source code was quite small, but the program was huge. ** disconnected. Maurice, your Genie posts are up on the local BBSs (Tacoma, WA) ** is here. Hiya RICH So that is why ibm programs are HUGE, the programmers don't program anymore and the compliers do tons of junk. Hi rich.